Earlier this month I scored a HELL of an interview with one of the directors of the Umbrella Academy, two weeks before the release of season 2. I have been working on getting this interview completed and posted on a larger website to be enjoyed by more people, hence my absence from my own blog.
Everybody’s back and we have another five weeks of shooting these
first two episodes. And then who knows what will happen. We’ll see how
that goes. There’s a very rigorous set of protocols that Netflix and the
Directors Guild of America has co-authored. It includes rigorous
testing. I test before I leave, I test when I land, I get tested before I
leave the hotel. Everyone gets tested before they go onto the stage.
The whole idea is that we’ll remain as quarantined units. Even our
shooting location is basically an Air Force base. Everything has been
reorganized and cleaned and polished. And there’s a lot of remote work,
things we do over radio. We’ve actually scheduled a day that’s a
full-on corporate rehearsal. We’ll just go through the motions as if
we’re working and we’re not really shooting anything, and just to see
how the whole thing plays out.
It’s a whole new behavior on set. And now, from what I hear from
other people that are going through this kind of thing… It’s not so bad.
It can be handled with proper behavior, with the proper therapeutics…
and a liberal dash of money.
I think that in the case of Umbrella Academy, it’s always been a
pleasant surprise. Everything that I’ve been involved with has always
been shockingly good news for me from the very beginning. In nearly
everything I see, there’s always a degree of disappointment in these
things. Not with the Academy. It’s just not the case. It’s largely
because of Steven Blackman, who’s the showrunner, along with Gabriel Bá
and the graphic narrative people.
We share a lot of the same tastes so that’s why the show excites me a
lot. And that’s why I think the show’s very successful is because he
[Blackman] manages to do that with every director. He gets the best out
of them. He makes the show into something that’s more than the sum of
its parts. This is not the case in all shows.
Tony: I did and I gotta tell you, it’s a great scene. It’s so
darkly humorous, and it fits with the tone of the show. Why wasn’t that
included?
Stephen: It didn’t have anything to do with the censors so
much as it had to do with the actors. Very early on, I brought the two
of them in for rehearsal, and we were talking about a bunch of scenes,
and the way that scene was written. It was written like that because
they wanted this relationship between Cha-Cha and her partner. Double
chemistry gives great chemistry, but they [the actors] were on their own
track. The actors weren’t romantically involved in this show; they
weren’t feeling it. So, Blige was like, “How do I get there? How do I
get to a place where it’s authentic, where I’m actually fantasizing
about this guy?” We brought Steve in on the discussion. Blackman
talked about it and said, “Yeah, it probably doesn’t fit. We should
probably get rid of it.” So that’s what happened.
Tony: Was that one of those disappointments you mentioned earlier?
Stephen: I mean, it may have gotten cut anyway. I liked the
scene, myself. I pushed for it. I said, “Steve, no, please let me do
this.” But it seemed that it wasn’t in the actors’ natures. I think we
learned early that if the cast isn’t feeling it, it’s probably best to
follow their instincts. They won’t betray you in that department. They
just won’t. But boy, how about if the chemistry had been different? If
it had been organic, it would have been really cool.
Tony: I would have loved to have seen that. I thought it was just a delight.
Stephen: Thank you. I appreciate that. That’s testimony to
the good writing. Maybe the cut reflects failure on my part because I
wasn’t able to get our cast into a place in terms of their own internal
mental landscape. But when I got there they were kind of already on
their way.
It’s interesting because some of the storyboards are like a shorthand
or cheat sheet. So I can say, beforehand, here are the mathematics that
are in my own head. Here’s the front and the back end. But when we’re
shooting, I try not to make them slave over the details in terms of how I
need this. The board doesn’t hurt, and we do fine if we do what’s on
the board. But generally, there’s a better way based on the vibe of the
moment. If an actor learns the lines then they can change the lines if
they actually know them.
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Tom Hopper, left, and Aidan Gallagher, right, from a season two still. |
Tony: I know that there were some lines that were improved at
different parts in the show. Is that pretty consistent, having a bit of
improv going on with the cast?
Stephen: If an actor is really good and I’m really good with the actor, it will seem like
an improv line. That’s really the goal. If somebody has an idea and
they try it, great. But I always want to deliver what’s on the page,
always try to make that work first. And then if we add to it, or offer
extras, those are usually well received.
My experience has been that improv lines rarely make it in to the
dialogue. Maybe little bits here or there. Yes. But if they’re actually
really good, it’ll feel like an improv line. The bottom line
is, if you enjoy it and works, it doesn’t really matter where the line
came from. Everyone will look at it and figure out what the best thing
is. And I kind of lose control of it at a certain point. I do my thing
as a director, the thing that’s presented, and then… well, they say
that you pay a prostitute to leave. That’s how I see my job. They say,
“Okay, you’re done. Thank you. Good-bye.” And then they do what they
want. But if you’ve done a good job, they’ll just feel it. They’ll feel
the impression you were going for.
Tony: You mentioned there’s an organic sort of chemistry that occurs, when you have the right cast.
Stephen: Well, before, I started working with Marvel. I was with
Jeph Loeb and Karim Zreik, and we worked on a lot of different shows.
And they really had a great eye for casting. Some people are really
good at it. It’s like a cocktail party, and they know who fits in. They
know who will be entertaining in that group, and how they’ll mix, and
how they’ll increase that vibe. Not me, but I’m okay with it. And once
I get them on the floor, I start to learn. But I’m not great at
casting. There’s people that are great at this. And that’s what sets aside some of the superstars, because somebody has the foresight and the insight into the casting.
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“The Swedes” are the new antagonists in season two. |
Tony: I went over and looked at a couple of these episodes that
you directed. There’s a fight scene in an office building. There’s a
big dance scene at this rave. To what extent are you working with the
choreographers to tighten these scenes up? They seem like they’re really
challenging because there’s a lot of moving parts.
Stephen: The choreographers do a lot of heavy lifting. It’s a
crazy process because I work with the producer in terms of the general
overall story block and how we can best express the drama, and then we
bring in the choreographer and the music and we talk to them. You know,
that dance scene was actually choreographed by Emma Portner, who is a
really an extraordinary choreographer. I have my workout routine and it
involves two hours of… popping. Don’t laugh don’t judge me! I
don’t aspire to be a dancer but it’s my workout. So, I love when we get
into any kind of dance situation. I just enjoy it a lot.
As for fight scenes, those are something that I’ve been involved with
for so long. It’s much more challenging because you’re always trying to
find a way to get to the characterization of the character within that
scene. How to achieve that in a fight scene is always insanely
challenging. How do we make this scene different? How do we make it unique? How do we make it reflect the interior sort of topography of his mindscape?
When I was working on the Marvel shows, there was a lot of
opportunity to experiment and try new things. We’d shoot a whole scene
on videotape and look at it and go, this is working or this is not
working. It’s a process. It’s something that goes through a bunch of
steps and it changes and I try to block it in a way that is a simpler
block. We want to fine-tune it so we can be more specific and
specialized in the material that we do.
The actual choreography starts with the choreographer, but if there’s
a part I don’t think the actor was bringing to the dancing, I’ll say
it. Or I’ll say, that part there, that’s a great part. That’s
fantastic. And we’ll work through it. Even when we were shooting that
dance scene, I was shooting clips off by phone to Blackman, and he would
look at them and go, “Oh, no, shoot this, shoot that, now make sure
you’ve got this angle, how about get more of that…!” Everybody was
yelling at the same time. It was awesome.
As far as the rave scene, Steve has a real sense of old-fashioned
entertainment the way he approached it. He said, you have to deliver me
something that I believe. I said I’m gonna need people that also were
born in this age, I need people that are dancers, who know that scene. I
need a DJ. I need the right music. I need the right paint. This is how
you’re gonna get it. Man, he delivered that from a production
standpoint! And we spent a lot of time shooting to get it just right.
Tony: I have to ask. There’s a character featured in the
background scene at the rave, an actress who’s shown up many, many
times. I’m blanking on her name…
Stephen: Yeah, I think I know where you’re going with this.
Tony: People always want to know, is she just an interesting
character? Is there a significance to using the same actress in many
different capacities? She’s at the rave. She’s in some of the other
episodes, at the bank, at the bowling alley…
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Actress Heather Sanderson, a recurring character |
Stephen: There are secrets that the showrunner has kept from
me. He didn’t want me to lean into it this way or that way. I didn’t
know what the larger plan was, to be honest with you. I often wonder.
And I still do. I think it’s just a cool character people look for and
identify. And it speaks to the environment: people live in this
neighborhood, in this world, and there she is. I wish I had a better
answer for you. I want to know what is going on there, too. And I asked
and I didn’t get an answer. There might be something breaking soon.
Tony [imitating Frodo]: Alright then. Keep your secrets.
Stephen: [laughs]
Tony: As far as the two episodes you directed in season one,
they’re occurring on the same day, but in different timelines. So, I’m
curious if they were shot concurrently and how you, as a director,
ensured continuity between those two?
Stephen: No one understands how difficult that can be. If you
have two episodes that are exactly the same, almost, with small details
changed, it’s incredibly difficult to delineate those scenes. It’s easy
if it’s, say, at night, in a rave, between two people, and then there’s
another scene that’s between four people, and it’s outside during the
day on the beach. Then, it’s easy to remember the differences between
the scenes, as well as the conflicts that occur within the scenes.
In the case of “The Day That Was” and “The Day That Wasn’t,” the
first time I read it, I just thought my head was going to explode. They
were so similar. And yet there were real, relevant changes and
differences. And no one on the crew understood that; no script person
got it. It was the single biggest challenge on the show for me, I think
I told you when I originally started, I read those two scripts. I
wanted to start working on the show, basic prepping, and they brought in
the first episode that they had just completed. It wasn’t even fully
completed. They made me sign a nondisclosure agreement, and I watched
it once, and then watched it again, and I just couldn’t believe it.
That first episode just blew my mind. I was like, Oh my God, I’m
working on something that’s really good. I got it, now I understand
what we’re doing. So I had to go back and start the whole thing over
again as I read the scripts, and I made charts: this seems like that scene except it’s different this way.
I painted my whole room with storyboards, and my notes were covered
with these triggers. It’s very difficult otherwise to track this stuff.
And I knew no one was going to be tracking it except me. So that’s how I
approached it. And I told Blackman: “You guys are working on something
that’s super fucking cool. And you got to understand that I am gonna do
whatever I can to keep up with you guys.” I don’t know if I was
awkward. This was like, too big. It’s too exciting. And I think they
were happy to hear that. Because I think that at a certain point, you
forget what you are worth and what you’re in. But, man, that was a big
day for me. It brought clarity.
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Surjik sits at a desk in “The Commission.” |
Tony: I actually had the same sensation watching it. I paused
halfway through the first episode and I said to my partner, you have to
watch this show. It’s really good.
Stephen [excited]: I was like, Oh my God, I’ve been waiting
for this. I’d watch it, replay it, watch it again. And I was like,
they’re in the bank! They’re going in to the bank! [laughs]
There’s a lot of moving parts and it’s really wacky. Even though it’s
very abstract, they follow all the rules of narrative for the most
part. I just adore it. I adore everything about it.
You know, there was a TV show on NBC called Boomtown. In the first
act, you would watch a crime scene and you would follow the criminal
through it. And the next act, you would watch the police arrive, and the
scene would change. It would literally change what happened, depending
on who was there, based upon these interactions and conflicts. It was
the smartest thing you’ve ever seen. To do this, it was impossible, and
it often didn’t work. But when it did work, it was a masterpiece. This
reminded me of what we were attempting to do in Umbrella with these two
episodes, because it was kind of the same thing. We’re going through
the same plot and scenes again, but it had to change enough to be
interesting. And to reflect this larger reality.
There was originally a whole bunch of other stuff. And I was like,
“Whoa, how do we get here?” And so, we dropped that, and we restructured
it in post-production, and gave it a new ending. That was largely
Steve’s insight as he wrote it. It was good material, like really cool
shit we were doing, but it just wasn’t clear on what was happening. So,
he made some changes, he added the rewind scene and the little time
placards, and it really clarified things. They say, in Strunk and
White’s book, The Elements of Style, that quality writing can be
described a lot of different ways. But one thing it always has is
clarity. Steve managed to achieve clarity. And I think that was a close
one. Because I think we could have failed. I just wanted to deliver it
passionately, I wanted to deliver what was on the page. I’m not one of
those guys who goes in and changes things… I’m not that guy. Steve had
to do that himself. And it was great, and it worked.
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Surjik framing a scene from episode 8 |
Tony: As far as storyboarding, do you think that this is something
that led you into doing a lot of graphic novel adaptations? Or do you
think that storyboarding is something you developed because you were shooting comics?
Stephen: When I started storyboarding, I wasn’t doing
graphics. I was doing Kids in the Hall and Wayne’s World, things like
that. Storyboarding was for my own mental exercise. So, I knew where I
was, but it wasn’t required in terms of style, or narrative push. It was
just something I used as a tool.
When I was working with Kids in the Hall, as a director, the actors
came to me with their ideas, and I would render it and say, this is what
it will look like. I would show them, and they would all look at each
other, and they would either agree or disagree. They could point out a
scene and say, This is good, or bad, and then we could move on. And that
process became kind of accepted as a format there, and it saved us time
and money. We increased our audience and everybody got along. So
that’s where I started doing that. That was a long time ago.
When I brought that to other shows, some said, no, that’s not our
thing. But when I brought it to the Marvel Universe, it was like, “Oh,
yeah, we got this. We know how this works.” They could see that I
understood perspective and that I understand how you can create anxiety
with foreground. How you can emphasize a character with all the
different tools that are sharpened with the use of storyboards. So
that’s where it really became a big break for me. They started really
insisting upon that kind of thing, particularly for action sequences,
special effects sequences. And in Lost in Space, they use the whole
sequence to budget in a mountain. We didn’t have the money for that,
but we were able to move the shot around and make it work. It’s really
easy to move that stuff around when everyone is looking at the same
picture. That was a big breakthrough.
In something like this show, Umbrella Academy, where in that first
season it can be difficult to delineate the differences between the two
scenes, I needed the help. I needed to look at these pages in the
morning and be able to very quickly revamp where we were at, what we
were doing, what the conflicts were, who was in the scene, where they
came from, where they were going. And I can sometimes, in words, but
it’s not as relevant, because it’s still based on the instruction
manual. As the director, I have to move the instruction manual to a 3D
space. But I have the manual, and so it was all successful. We brought
that back in season two.
Tony: I think it’s interesting… you mentioned the little rewind
bit at the end of “The Day That Wasn’t,” which really explains what’s
going on. I saw your two episodes back to back. Because I feel like you
have to watch them that way.
Stephen: I think so, yeah.
Tony: It’s good that they put the same director on the same episodes because… Can you imagine?
Stephen: It could have been a wreck! Yeah, that was lucky.
Although there were times, I wish I wasn’t the director. I was like, oh
my God.
Tony: I notice you’re using drone shots this season… Do you have
any comments on getting drone shots as a director? Do you find drones
make things easier, or complicate things?
Stephen: I personally adore all the drones that have been
developed for film and TV work, but like all good tools they’ve been
overused and overexposed in such a way that it becomes cliché and
sophomoric. It’s disheartening. When someone doesn’t have any insights
on the narrative or the characters they begin to talk about shots.
Suddenly the tail’s wagging the dog. I was a part of this upside-down
world for much of my career and only recently have I been able to
recognize the folly of my ways. It doesn’t mean I found my way out of
the maze but I have become a lot less tolerant of cool shots for their
own sake.
Drones have all kinds of uses outside of the camera platform. We
discovered that drones can make a very good lighting platform. There
were some scenes in Witcher that required a nervous, surrealistic,
dream-like atmosphere. Without giving away any narrative information or
spoilers, we tested road flares against marine flares against Air Force
flares and even some very rarified SPFX-made magnesium flares. We were
measuring luminance, color spectrum, and duration, and the intensity of
strobing. Once we found our happy place in the explosives department,
we then suspended the flares from lighting drones. These drones are
heavy lifters that moved the intense monochromatic light and forest
shadow across a creepy night time exterior. We were not the first people
to use flares for lighting in a movie and we were not the first people
to use a drone for lighting, but we may be the first people to use
flares suspended from a drone for lighting.
Two important things to note here is that we are still perfecting the
technology because of course it’s failed numerous times. It’s
extremely dangerous. Most important is the experimentation, the
journey. The cool results were all done in the interest of recreating
what was described in the script and on the storyboards.
Tony: There’s a photo you sent from the season two set of Umbrella
Academy that shows you with a pig. Does the pig have any sort of
significance, either symbolically or as a plot device? I know animal
“actors” can sometimes be unreliable and capricious.
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Surjik scouting locations for season 2 |
Stephen: The photograph that you saw of me and the pig was
simply a shot I took while on location scout. I adore animals. I’ve
always enjoyed directing certain kinds of animals. There are some big
surprises in the new season but I can’t tell you who is involved or what
kind of animal it is or what character the animal is a part of.
It’s almost as if you conjured me into giving up the big one. You almost got me. Well, you did get me, but you just didn’t get me to spill the beans!
Tony: Okay, I get it, no spoilers. Let me ask you this. From
season one, what was your favorite scene to direct, and which one was
the most challenging?
Stephen: There were a couple of scenes with Sheehan. Where he
is getting his brother to tie him up to the chair, so he can’t leave
that room. I don’t know how those scenes translated but, to be in them
with an actor of that caliber was so exciting. Because once he was in
it, once he was in that scene, he didn’t leave that scene until we set a
wrap on it, and it was really powerful and exciting to watch. A truly
high reward for the series he was working on, to have an actor who can
actually with their powers of acting just conjure up the atmosphere.
You feel like suddenly you’re part of a scenario that is just in
their imagination, but you become tricked into it. They can imagine a
swimming pool, and you think you could jump in and get wet. It’s that
kind of power. And in those scenes where he was literally struggling
with the rope, he was also struggling as far as having problems with
drugs, and he was also struggling because while he was on drugs, he
could not conjure the dead. That’s his superpower and so he couldn’t get
to the person that he loved, who had died earlier on in his past. He’d
met someone who he fell in love with. And that person died and he
desperately wanted to get back and resolve the issues that he had in
that relationship.
He couldn’t use his superpowers because he was on drugs. But on a human scale,
there is nothing out of context. It’s relevant to anyone. Like, you
can’t resolve personal issues if you’re drunk or on drugs. You have to
get straight, you have to deal with your problems. But in there, they
were doing it like it was a superhero issue and he was struggling with
his addiction. And then he finally got clean, and he had to see and
deal with his issues. It just exploded, I thought it was brilliant.
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Sheehan getting into character in season one |
Tony: The show is about superheroes but they’re human issues. And
I think that’s one of the reasons why people really like it, because
they relate to it. Maybe they’re not going to the moon or whatever. But
they’re very human problems.
Stephen: Scale problems. And so, we’re familiar with them. There are commonly occurring issues and resolutions that are achievable.
Tony: A lot of the issues there are pretty dark. You’ve got
childhood trauma and drug use and a lot of other really serious issues.
I’m wondering if there was anything that you were bringing, if there was
a personal relationship with it?
Stephen: Well, I can’t answer that directly, except to say
that Steven Spielberg once said, “If you come from a family that’s a
real mess, you’re gonna be a good director. And you’ll come by it
honestly.” And when I read that I said, there’s something I think we’re
all struggling with, and I want to think that my problems are special
and different. But in fact, I think that my problems are probably the
same as Sheehan’s problems or any of the other characters, the people,
the ravers, any of them. The issues are what makes a character fit the
series. The issues are what makes a narrative empathetic. You can
relate to it, and it’s commonly occurring. So yes, I have issues. But
no, I’m not gonna say what they are. [laughs]
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Robert Sheehan on set, season one |
Tony: So, which character is your favorite? I think I might be able to guess from your answer back there…
Stephen: Well, I mean, I like Sheehan. Robert, he’s done a
lot of work in the Misfits and stuff that I’ve watched before so I kind
of knew his work. I’m a huge fan of Ellen. I think that she’s a
brilliant actor. She works at a microscopic level. She’s like a molecular level
actor that is just incredibly cool. This is my reward for working on
this. I go through all sorts of hell in production but when I’m watching
them in their scenes, it’s just the greatest reward to see someone
working like that. But the whole cast is truly magnificent. The whole
cast together, they each have their strengths. I love that in this last
year, I worked a lot with Raver[-Lampman], and she was brilliant. We did
a whole thing in Dallas at a diner, which is very, very close to
something that’s been happening here with the Black Lives Matter
movement.
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A still from season two, set in the early 1960s. |
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The second season tackles the Civil Rights Movement. |
Tony: Do they have a psychic on the show? Because the timing for
the release, in the midst of a sort of second Civil Rights Movement— so
many of the issues in Dallas feel like they’re coming up again, and
even though the second season is set in the 1960s, it’s reflecting a
modern reality.
Stephen: I had no idea when we were doing that scene what
sort of emotions it would bring up. I brought my assistant to shadow
me. And he happens to be from a Muslim background, and he said, “This is
gonna be tricky for you because you’re not a minority. You don’t
understand, you can’t. So, what are you gonna do?” I said, we’re all
gonna get together and we’re gonna like, hash around until we figure it
out. And he really helped me.
We didn’t want to do something that would trivialize these issues
that were occurring right now in the United States. We wanted to find a
way to deal with these issues in the show that was really dealing with
both, the fiction and the reality of the movement. In a way that was
righteous. That was helpful and honest. I can’t pretend I know what all
those issues are. But I can listen and I can be open to feedback. And I
can help actualize that. So, I said, Look, I’m your tool, use me. And
that’s what we did, and it worked pretty well. I mean, when we were out
shooting those scenes… It was pretty crazy out there. There’s a lot of
emotions that came to the surface. We were dealing with a racial
issue. In the scene, there’s basically a sit-in at the front of the
restaurant with our African-American cast and then these white,
privileged little douchebags come in and start pounding on them. I mean
it’s just— it’s a really tough scene. It spills into the street, and—
well, it was hard.
Tony: Do you feel the tone for the second season is quite a bit
more serious than the first or is there still a little bit of that sort
of comic book zaniness?
Stephen: It’s interesting you should you ask that because
when I was in my rehearsal room with my lead actors, they didn’t want it
to be a zany, cartoony treatment of something that’s real, nor did I,
nor do I, and I don’t think we did. However, there was a danger of that.
We didn’t want to filter or sanitize it. I don’t think we did. Maybe
you’ll disagree. I’m not really qualified to even say. I was really
careful the way I approached it. And I think it’s important that
non-African-American, young white kids in the suburbs know that this was
an issue. There’s a value in the educational aspect of saying this
happened. You know, you say, come on, I don’t even believe that, but
no, that actually happened. It’s still happening! And it might even be
worse. I don’t know because it’s sublimated now. So, this is something
that we’re talking about that’s tricky. It’s a challenge. From a
production standpoint, I still had huge scenes that were awesome to be
involved with, but with the sit-in scene, I had something that was more
meaningful.
I do wonder how it’s gonna be received. Who knows? We don’t know. I
think that it’ll depend on how they re-edited. It depends what’s in the
final cut. But we were pretty careful.
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On the set of season two: a sit-in at a diner |
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Emmy Raver-Lampman in season two |
Tony: In the second season did you end up working at all with the child actors? Or was it really just focused on the adults?
Stephen: I worked with this young man who was playing a child
who is on the spectrum. And he and his mother are struggling with it.
And Aidan was involved with this scene where his family falls out of the
sky.
I was dealing with a young man who had really researched and worked
hard at understanding the behavior consistent with the character, the
best way to portray him. And Steve Blackman is personally involved with
such a child, and I do have a brother who was always on the spectrum.
So, in between all of us, we were all kind of getting personally
invested, holding hands, and running at it. It’s really kind of
difficult because you’re dealing again with a common trend phenomenon.
Everybody’s got a brother, everyone’s got a sister, everyone’s got a
mother. Everyone’s got someone in their family that’s struggling like
that, probably. So now, how do you deal with that, in an honest way?
All of a sudden you start identifying with these characters because
they’re real. That is how it works. We never dealt with it in a trivial
way. But it’s not a documentary on those mental issues, it was just—
these are people that surround us every day. So, we might as well see
them. So that was exciting to have that in the show. That young man was
very good at what he did.
And by the way, I always find myself working with like 10-year-olds,
and it’s the best thing ever. They really seem to get it. They say that
to get clarity into your past you have to return to your childhood
perceptions. So yeah, I got to deal with this character and he was
awesome. Those were tough days because Steven was really affected. It
affected us all. Doing any scene where people are familiar with a
tragedy or conflict somehow, or linked to it… It could be the death of a
loved one or, in this case, it was a kid that was just difficult to
communicate with. The difficulty of handling someone that you love while
they are struggling. So, we had to be able to deal with that. I never
want to rush it. Steve always gave me whatever time I needed to do it.
Tony: Speaking of child actors–
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Surjik and Gallagher |
Stephen: Gallagher playing Number Five? I know he’s very
popular, and I love him very much. And he’s great to watch, but it’s
insane how well he can play when he’s on. I get worried that he’s
looking at me across the room, like vacuuming me out, copying me as an
old man. I’m like, “Stop looking at me!” Because it’s not natural to
act so well for a kid. His acting is supposed to be in the body of a
young man, but his character is actually 58. And he brought it, bam,
first day. Bam, he would, like just, embody it. He’s very mature. As a
character, and a person. You know he’s actually working for the United
Nations, as an environmental ambassador. I know there’s some
controversy, or something, because there are crazy people out there that
don’t agree so strongly that they would write off other people
completely.
Tony: There’s always gonna be contrarians.
Stephen: It’s true and particularly, politically, if you’re not challenging people then what are you doing? Just sleeping through it.
I don’t think we’ve [Umbrella Academy] made any real enemies. I don’t know if we were that good. But we tried.
Tony: Tried to make enemies?
Stephen: [laughs] Yeah, that quote by Churchill, about making
enemies because you’re doing something worthwhile. Everything he said
was quotable. [laughs]
But I think it’s gonna do really well. I think the first episodes of
this show are at least as good as last year, maybe they’re better. I
think that the first year was very difficult to get on track. It was
just a heavy lift. There was so much of the universe that was so
unusual. Like you said, you saw it. Oh boy. “Am I gonna watch this? I
don’t know.” That was kind of how I felt about it. I didn’t really know
what it was. And now I know what it is. I think we’re gonna have a
good go. I think people are gonna love it. I think we’re gonna get a
lot of people laughing, a lot of people crying. I think it’s gonna be a
very successful franchise. I don’t know. But we’ll see. I’m excited for
it.
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A season two selfie. “Dallas” was actually filmed in Hamilton, Ontario. |
Tony: For a lot of people Netflix has been sort of a salve on the
burn, just to have something to look forward to, and to go to a
different sort of world where there’s still human problems that are
relatable, but they’re not necessarily our problems.
We’re seeing them through a lens. Maybe a little bit of distance,
looking at it from behind the camera, makes it a little easier to
stomach.
Stephen: I can only speak for myself, but I want to go home
and watch something that I can escape to get out of my world, because of
all that we’re dealing with. And I think that we probably hit the right
mix with Umbrella because you don’t want to have just all the singing
and dancing for the whole time, but you don’t want to throw reality in
the trash can, either. You gotta have it balanced and you gotta have
the hard parts hit strong.
Tony: Do you think it’s a dark comedy or a light tragedy?
Stephen: I would say it’s both and it probably vacillates
between. And it’s best if you get both in the same episode because you
got a little bit of laughing, a little bit of crying. You want to do
both. They don’t want too much darkness, though. I have trouble
watching these documentaries on murders and stuff. It just freaks me
out. I get anxious, and I can’t take it further.
Tony: I think you’ve got a good mash up of emotions and perspectives.
Stephen: It’s sort of a miracle that it went through so many
layers of creativity. We started with Gabriel Bá and My Chemical
Romance and with the narrative ideas and the graphic narrative, with Bá
doing the pictures, and then it moves to a script form and a whole bunch
of people write scripts and then it goes to directors and actors and
usually, almost never, these things don’t usually translate so well.
Tony: It’s a credit to the writers. I’ve read the source material
and as far as adaptations go, that’s a very difficult thing to adapt.
Stephen: It’s a tough bridge, isn’t it? It’s really a long
walk on the bridge. I think they did it. When I first read it, I wasn’t
sure. But then I— well, I wouldn’t want to be trite about it. I think
that they hit it, but man, it’s a tricky world. There’s this trauma but
there’s also a little bit of silliness and I think it’s fun to explore
those issues. Without traumatizing your audience. It’s a delicate
balance.
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Surjik surveys a season two set |
Season 2 of Umbrella Academy is coming to Netflix on July 31.